Andrew Scheim This interview is for educational purposes only and is not medical advice.
In this Blue Z Water interview, Andrew speaks with engineer Ed Wunder about Brown’s Gas, molecular hydrogen, and the experiences that led Ed to develop his own machine. Their discussion explores three applications—hydrogen-rich water, inhalation, and direct application—along with Ed’s explanations of oxidative stress, inflammation, and cellular balance.
How Ed Wunder became interested in Brown’s Gas
Ed describes a lifelong interest in health optimization, influenced by his parents’ interest in health practices during the 1970s. Although trained as an engineer, he became curious about hydrogen and eventually began experimenting with Brown’s Gas.
One early experience involved applying gas around a knee that had been bothering him. He recalls a noticeable change after approximately ten minutes and says the discomfort subsequently disappeared. That personal experience encouraged him to investigate available machines. After finding limitations in the equipment he purchased, he designed his own.
Hydrogen and the idea of cellular balance
Andrew emphasizes hydrogen’s ability to diffuse into tissues and cells, which he sees as central to its potential. He describes his interest in reducing inflammation and supporting homeostasis, or balance in the body.
Ed adds oxidative stress to the discussion. His explanation is that hydrogen may help reduce excessive oxidative activity while preserving the signaling processes involved in normal function and healing. Both speakers describe hydrogen as supporting balance rather than acting as an immediate solution for every health problem.
Andrew also shares his personal experience of feeling calmer during sessions. He uses the language of soothing or mothering energy to describe that feeling.
Three ways of using hydrogen discussed in the interview
Drinking hydrogen-rich water
Ed explains that drinking infused water exposes the body differently from inhaling gas. He shares customer reports involving blood sugar changes and says those experiences are why he considers the water an important part of the conversation.
He also discusses hydrogen escaping from water over time and the importance he places on how the water is prepared and stored. The customer stories are personal reports rather than controlled evidence of a treatment effect.
Inhaling through a nasal cannula
Inhalation is the second route. Ed describes it as an ongoing supply of hydrogen through the lungs, with distribution throughout the body. He argues that inhalation can deliver more hydrogen overall than drinking infused water, while emphasizing that the two routes may produce different effects.
Direct application to a particular area
The third route is direct application using an application cup or a bag around a limb. Ed compares inhalation with a broad mist and direct application with a stream directed toward one location.
Andrew says this distinction was one of the most useful points he learned from Ed. Their discussion includes positioning the applicator below an area because hydrogen rises, along with Ed’s view that gas can disperse locally and circulate more widely. These explanations reflect the speakers’ approach; the interview does not measure delivery to specific tissues or organs.
Why output and session length matter to Ed
Andrew explains that concerns about hydrogen’s flammability had led him to keep his variable-output machine turned down. He reports feeling a difference after changing his approach, particularly during nighttime use.
Ed’s central argument is that reducing output reduces the hydrogen available to the body. He also believes exposure time matters, and he recounts customer experiences involving longer sessions. To explain ongoing distribution, he compares dissolved hydrogen in the bloodstream with water gradually escaping from a soaker hose.
The interview explores extended and intermittent exposure, but it does not establish a universally effective or safe setting or schedule. Machine settings and session length should follow the manufacturer’s instructions and qualified clinical guidance.
The safety discussion
Andrew and Ed address the fact that hydrogen is combustible. Ed discusses dilution in room air, flashbacks toward a generator, and safety features used in equipment. He also recounts an ignition incident involving a customer who lit a cigarette.
These accounts should not be treated as proof that ignition is harmless. Keep flames, cigarettes, and sparks away from hydrogen equipment, and follow the manufacturer’s ventilation and operating instructions. Do not repeat the flame tests mentioned in the interview.
Brown’s Gas ozone and theories about how hydrogen works
Andrew discusses hydrogen alongside his use of ozone, describing hydrogen as “dampening the burn” of oxidative stress. Ed distinguishes Brown’s Gas from the molecular hydrogen preparations used in different studies and says he believes their effects may differ.
The conversation then turns to cellular signaling and energetics. Ed offers theories about why hydrogen might affect excessive oxidative activity differently from other antioxidants, while Andrew describes his own meditative interpretation. These are the speakers’ explanations and beliefs, rather than mechanisms demonstrated by the interview.
They also distinguish hydrogen peroxide naturally produced inside cells from consuming hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen-rich water and hydrogen peroxide are different substances; hydrogen peroxide should not be consumed as a health treatment.
Experiences involving animals and plants
Near the end of the interview, Ed shares reports from owners who used direct application around resting pets, as well as a story about cats preferring infused water. He also describes observations involving plants watered with infused water.
These stories broaden the discussion but remain anecdotal. Decisions about an animal’s treatment or recovery should involve a veterinarian.
The main takeaway from the interview
For Andrew, the most significant insights are the differences between drinking, inhalation, and direct application, together with Ed’s emphasis on output and exposure time. For Ed, the conversation connects his engineering background, personal experiences, and customer reports with his interest in Brown’s Gas.
Watch the full interview above for the complete explanations, examples, and exchange between Andrew and Ed.